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Karl's image was iconic
and he knew it.
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He had to invent
this personality,
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and so he played with that.
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[pensive music]
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You recognize the man
with the ponytail,
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the glasses, and the collar.
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You could even just have
those three elements
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and it works.
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Karl is a [bleep] icon.
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And he'll always be an icon.
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[Karl]: My job
is to make-believe.
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But I have to be careful,
because you know
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I can turn myself
into a cartoon.
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You have to sell,
you have to kill yourself,
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you have to destroy yourself.
Because then, I can rebuild.
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As the world reacts
to the news that fashion icon
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Karl Lagerfeld has died,
questions are being asked
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as to where his $200 million
fortune will go.
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Lagerfeld told an interviewer
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that he would be giving
his riches
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to his pet companion,
among others,
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that this cat has a lifestyle
to maintain.
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[narrator]:
Designer Karl Lagerfeld
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was one of the most flamboyant
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and recognizable figures
in fashion.
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And one of the most mysterious.
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His influence was immeasurable.
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From the Chanel catwalk
to the high street,
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he made fortunes for himself...
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[buzzing]
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...and the corporations
behind him.
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His extravagance was legendary.
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But who was the real
Karl Lagerfeld?
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He said often, though,
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he was like a marionette.
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Like a cartoon.
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But he knew this marionette
he was creating
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was to hide something.
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[narrator]: This is a story
with unique access
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to his inner circle,
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many talking for the first time
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to reveal the true face
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of the man behind
the sunglasses.
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[photographers shouting]
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[theme song]
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You know, whatever you did
in fashion, who cares?
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I'm very, very much against
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what all the designers
do now...
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[muttering]
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...that make retrospectives.
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This, I think,
is the unhealthiest thing
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in fashion ever.
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Who wants to know
that you are there
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for 40, 30, 25 years?
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And then, they do it again.
They did it for the 20 years,
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they did it for the 25 years,
they'll do it for the 30 years.
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I mean, it's like going
to your own funeral.
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I mean, who cares?
In fashion, nobody
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wants your past, huh?
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What's interesting
is to be part of the moment
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and to be part of tomorrow.
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But certainly not
of something that's over.
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[soft bass music]
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The passing of Karl Lagerfeld
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at the age of 85 leaves a hole
in the world of fashion.
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Simply put, he was the most
prolific and influential
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designer of his time.
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To many people, Karl Lagerfeld
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was the last iconic designer
of his generation,
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and his death marks the end
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of an era across
the fashion world.
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[Françoise]: Après moi,
le déluge.
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He always said, "No, I don't
want anything for my funeral."
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No ceremony, nothing.
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He refuses that.
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He does not want to think
he disappears.
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Right. That's it.
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He just continued to do
the collection up to the end.
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I mean, who does that?
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I swear we called him
the Kaiser.
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King Karl.
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[narrator]: All the intimates
were there.
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Sébastien the bodyguard.
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One of Karl's best friends,
Princess Caroline of Monaco.
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Male models Baptiste and Brad,
along with his sons,
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and Karl's godsons,
Jameson Karl and Hudson.
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They've all gathered to honour
Lagerfeld's legacy.
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But behind the scenes,
there's an unspoken question:
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who did he leave his money to?
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No one knows who will get what,
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and whether
his famous cat Choupette
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could get the lion's share.
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[jazzy music]
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If you have children,
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everything is written
in the law,
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so you don't have
to do anything.
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But if you don't have children,
you'd better have a will.
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[interviewer]: And in
Karl's case, there is a will.
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Yes. I think
it's public information.
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I will not tell you
what is inside.
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[interviewer]: Do you know?
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Of course I know.
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[laughs]
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[interviewer]: Could you tell me
anything, Celine?
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You can ask somebody else.
[laughs]
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[photographers shouting]
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He never talked
about his debts.
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He never talked about money.
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He never talked about what
he's going to do with the money.
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Of course, we can see
he lived like a king.
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His paintings, his apartment,
his house, you know,
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there were so many things.
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But I don't know what's happened
with his money.
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[curious music]
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Sébastien?
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[Carine]: I heard that
there was a testament,
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and the names of seven people,
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but we don't hear really
what's going to happen.
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[narrator]: One person
who knows more than most
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is Lagerfeld's right-hand man
and bodyguard.
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And now, you really need
a wetsuit.
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[interviewer]: Yeah,
you need a wetsuit today.
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Yeah.
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It's better.
- To keep fit.
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I try!
[laughs]
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But I'm not bad
for 47, nearly 48.
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[bright orchestral music]
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I was paid to keep his secrets,
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to make everything going well.
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My mission was to make his life
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going to a tapis volant,
you know?
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[interviewer]: A flying carpet.
- A flying carpet.
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That means,
everything has to be done
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or run to not have problems.
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[whistles]
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[classical music]
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He believed in me.
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To be still there, you know,
after 20 years.
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To be the last one close to him.
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Because he didn't want
someone else at this moment.
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For me, Saint-Tropez
was for rich people.
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I had nothing to do there.
I was not coming from that.
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Until the times
I went there with Karl.
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And Karl, he asked,
"You should have a house there."
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Na-na-na-na... I said,
"But Karl, yes,
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I would love
to have a house there,
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but how would you want me to do?
It's not possible for me."
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Tu vois?
He said, "Yes, look for a house,
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I will help you." You know?
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And, like, it's like that,
and I have my house.
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[interviewer]: So,
he was very generous?
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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He was generous with everyone.
All the people around him.
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- Even my servants, so...
- Yeah.
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They are spoiled like family.
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They get apartments, houses,
cars, and everything.
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You know, they do more for me
than anybody else.
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I, except sketching,
don't know to do anything.
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I'm totally stupid.
I don't know how to cook,
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I don't know how to clean,
I don't know nothing.
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[interviewer]: But tell me
about, then, the will.
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He put some different names,
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and he did 30%, 20%,
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20%, 20% for one,
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and the rest for just
three people or four people.
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Like, that's it.
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[interviewer]: And are you
one of those names?
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Yeah.
Like Baptiste and Brad.
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[curious music]
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Brad was very close to Karl.
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And after Brad, it was Baptiste,
you know.
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I think Karl has a special link
between them, you know,
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that I didn't have with Karl.
It's something different.
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They were more close
in a few years
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than people who were there
already for 40 years.
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[narrator]: In fashion circles,
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they would be known
as Karl's muses,
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a source of inspiration.
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Often, they would all appear
on the runway together.
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But the closest to him
were Baptiste and Brad.
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[♪]
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Nowadays, Brad Kroenig
and his wife Nicole
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are real estate agents
in Florida,
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where they live with their sons
Hudson and Jameson Karl.
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All right, Jame,
have a good game.
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Yep.
[Nicole]: Have a good game, buddy.
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First time I met Karl
was in Paris,
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at a private airport,
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and I was doing
a shoot with Karl,
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I think it was me
and a couple other male models.
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So, in fact, you met him
on the private plane.
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Yeah. I think that's
where I did meet him.
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And we all flew down
to South France
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to Biarritz,
where his house was.
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[lounge music]
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He had a huge compound, I think,
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of like four or five
different houses on it.
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You gotta take a golf cart
from one house to the other.
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And he had this beautiful pool,
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all black-slated underground.
It was really cool.
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We did a shoot there
the next day.
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And we had an instant connection
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because the other two
male models,
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I think he photographed them
for five minutes,
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and he shot me
for like 12 hours.
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So, right from the get-go,
we had a great connection,
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from model to photographer.
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[interviewer]: And can I ask
a direct question?
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He left a will. Can you tell
anything about that?
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Yeah, I'm not sure of any
of that stuff, really. Um...
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He never really talked
about death.
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He never really did.
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I think it was kind
of a negative topic,
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so he just didn't wanna
bring it up.
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There was never really any
negative talk about anything.
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He was always upbeat, positive.
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It's hard to do. But somehow,
he got away with it, you know.
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- Oh, Mr. Hudson.
- Ah!
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[Karl]: Mr. Hudson, how are you?
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[speaking French]
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[overlapping chatter]
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[narrator]: Hudson, Brad's
elder son, was Karl's godson.
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Oh, it's for Choupette.
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You have to give it
to you and Choupette.
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You come to the house and give
it to Choupette yourself, huh?
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Huh? Huh? It's okay.
- Hmm. Yeah.
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- Do you like that?
- Oh. I like that, yes.
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That's for me. I got it.
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Ritz Kids?
Oh, you got it in the Ritz.
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- Yeah. That's from hotel.
- Yes, I know. Yeah.
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[laughing]
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You have to say thank you
to this lady called Celine.
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- Okay.
- Celine. Her name is Celine.
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Ask for Celine.
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[rhythmic music]
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[narrator]: But then, a rival
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for Karl's attention
appeared on the scene.
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Today, Baptiste Giabiconi
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is preparing for
a raunchy photoshoot.
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- Helen, how are you?
- Good, oh!
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Nice to meet you.
Good to see you, eh.
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Good to see you too!
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- You too.
- It's been ages.
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Hi, everybody! Hi, hi.
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Take it off...
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Right, yeah. Check the hair.
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You really are beautiful.
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[chuckles]
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Yeah, that's great. Beautiful.
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[♪]
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[in French]
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Cool, okay! Yay!
[chuckles]
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Cool!
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Okay.
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Oh, that's very cool.
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Rockstar.
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[narrator]: And then,
another beautiful creature,
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who was to win Karl's heart,
came on the scene.
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[jazzy music]
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One day, Baptiste,
he asked Karl to keep his cat
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during his holidays.
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And we were all, like, shocked!
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He had the cat
for the Christmas...
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the New Year holidays.
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[♪]
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And after that, that starts
to be, like, crazy.
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[chuckles]
Crazy.
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[Karl]: I never thought
that I could fall in love
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with an animal like this.
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A friend of mine,
"I'm leaving for two weeks.
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Could you keep it
for two weeks?"
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When he came back, I said,
"I'm sorry, Choupette is mine.
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I don't give Choupette back."
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And Choupette became
a world-famous stallion.
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She has her own fortune
from things she did in Japan,
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and in Germany, for cars
and things like this.
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And wherever I go,
somebody, children,
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telling me,
"How is Choupette?"
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[rhythmic music]
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[narrator]: Karl turns Choupette
into a superstar,
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with an estimated fortune
of 3 million euros.
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Considerably more
than many supermodels.
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We've got some products
of Karl Lagerfeld.
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That's only a sample.
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[interviewer]: There really
are a lot.
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Hundreds. Yeah.
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This is, I mean...
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This is a little wallet
representing Choupette.
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There is, um... what do we have?
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We have... a little figurine
down by Doki Doki.
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[interviewer]: Is that Japanese?
- Uh, I think so, yes, yes, yes.
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Apparently, that's worth
a fair bit.
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- Oh, really?
- Yes.
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"The Private Life of
a High-Flying Fashion Cat."
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[interviewer]: You were
Choupette's lawyer?
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No. Under French law, um...
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the image right of an animal
belongs to the owner.
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[interviewer]: And can't
own a pet
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if you're dead?
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[laughs]
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That's a good start.
[laughs]
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[Lucas]: Choupette Lagerfeld
was very important to people.
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They wanted to know what was
happening to Choupette
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after the death
of Mr. Lagerfeld.
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[interviewer]: The will
is a rather complicated thing,
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isn't it?
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It's very complicated. That...
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I probably don't have
all the answers,
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and I don't have
all the answers,
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and I think we'll know
once it's concluded.
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And people will speak out.
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Right now, it's very secretive
and very closed. Closed doors.
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[interviewer]: You know,
in James Bond...
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[laughs]
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Should we go and see her?
- I think we should go see her.
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Yeah, yeah, let's go.
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[jazz music]
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[indistinct chatter]
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You have to see her. You would
fall instantly in love with her
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because she's unbelievable.
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With those huge sapphire eyes,
very coquette,
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and she's overgroomed
and everything.
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She's like a chic lady,
like a Catwoman,
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with a personal maid.
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[interviewer]: Ah, la voilà!
- Voilà! Ma Chouchou!
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[indistinct chatter in French]
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[♪]
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And she gives something
magical that, I understand,
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the Egyptians from
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4,000 years
before Jesus Christ,
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for them, the cat was
the most important animal.
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I understand that.
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And she gives energy,
it's very strange.
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When I have her next to me,
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I feel like a telephone
that is recharged.
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[pensive music]
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[narrator]: Choupette's
former home,
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overlooking the river Seine,
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where Karl lived for 11 years,
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above his ever-curious
first-floor neighbour.
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The shutters were
never opened.
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[interviewer]: Really?
- Never opened.
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Day and night, closed like that.
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The lights were on
24 hours a day,
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every day.
[interviewer]: Wow.
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Whether he was there
or if he wasn't there.
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And the other windows
give onto the Seine.
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The whole looks of Louvre,
the... you know.
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Paris.
[interviewer]: Why don't you?
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Well, because he didn't...
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He didn't leave me
the apartment!
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[laughs]
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[interviewer]: To whom
did he leave the apartment?
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Nobody knows.
It's a big, big, thing.
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The apartment is sealed.
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The only thing set up
and taken out are the books.
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That's the only thing
they took out.
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Here we go again.
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They're clearing
Karl's apartment.
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God knows what that is.
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I heard it was books,
but I'm not sure.
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I don't think
it looks like books.
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They're here for about
two weeks, I was told.
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I'm an antique dealer.
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And I met Karl when I opened
my first shop in 1979.
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And then, I never saw him again.
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Then, I moved in the building.
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I didn't know he lived here.
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And one day, I was coming out,
and he said,
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"Juan, hi! How are you?
What are you doing here?"
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And I said,
"Well, I just moved here."
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And he had a lot of people
who worked for him.
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He had a chef who cooked
for everybody.
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He had two...
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well, he had Sébastien
who was his right-hand man.
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[classical music]
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He was very nice.
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Always very polite,
always very nice.
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Very friendly.
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[narrator]: Sébastien first met
Karl as a 15-year-old,
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on a job at his school holidays
with his stepfather,
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who was an antique
furniture mover.
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At the time,
Karl was living here,
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a private house
in the centre of Paris
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known as Hotel Pozzo.
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When we arrived there,
I was thinking I was arriving
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to the Château de Versailles.
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For me, this kind of thing
was like... never seen.
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I was, like, very young,
full of life,
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and I was asking everything
in the house.
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We were doing moving things,
but he was next to us,
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I was asking about the...
history of the furniture,
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about the history of the book,
about the... you know?
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And that was making
a lot of fun for Karl.
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And, well, I became not close,
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but we had something
together, you know?
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[narrator]: Some of Karl's
greatest extravagances
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were his homes
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and their priceless
18th-century furniture.
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What is it about
the 18th century?
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00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,520
One day, I saw in a gallery,
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00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,680
when I was four or five years
old, a painting,
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00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,120
depicting the dining room
in the château de Sanssouci.
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And I saw that it is a way
life should look,
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and that I was born too late.
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I like the style. I like
the design of the houses.
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I like the concept of
their lives and the spirit.
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[narrator]: Artist Patrick
Hourcade first meet Karl
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in 1976.
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[Patrick]: I help him a lot
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to discover all this
18th-century period.
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That's why we have
a fantastic relationship
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from the beginning.
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[interviewer]: Patrick,
what do we have here?
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Um...
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It is a bedroom, as you see.
[chuckles]
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And this bed has a long story.
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This is an 18th-century
military bed.
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[interviewer]:
For how many people?
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One.
[interviewer chuckles]
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It's a king size for single.
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00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,320
[wheezing laugh]
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[interviewer]: Was that
appropriate to Karl?
427
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,600
And Karl was sleeping
always alone.
428
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,600
And I was sleeping always
alone in another bedroom.
429
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,760
The second thing,
which is important,
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00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,040
is the bookcase you see there.
431
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,680
Not because the furniture,
but because what goes over.
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In there, I hide... not hide.
433
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,800
I keep the ashes
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00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,760
of the mother of Karl
during two years.
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00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,840
[interviewer]: So, that's where
the ashes of Karl's mother...
436
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,280
When I decide
to divorce with Karl,
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I give back the ashes.
438
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,840
And I wrote to Karl
very strictly, and I said,
439
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,920
"Karl, this is the ashes
of your mother.
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00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,480
I hope you'll be
very happy now."
441
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,560
And he sends me back
by fax nine pages,
442
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,680
telling me that
he will be never happy.
443
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,520
And he was very disappointed
444
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,560
about, you know,
our relationship.
445
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,440
So... It was...
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00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,040
I kept the letter.
It was between crying,
447
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,200
and nostalgia of the past.
448
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,120
[classical music]
449
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,880
No, I had a nice childhood
450
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,800
in a place when the world
was not that great.
451
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,760
Nothing I can say against.
452
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,480
I'm not still recovering
from an unhappy childhood, no.
453
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,240
I never played with children.
454
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520
I only was sketching
and reading.
455
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240
I was on the best of terms
with my father,
456
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,080
and even better terms
with my mother.
457
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,800
[narrator]: Karl's older sister Christiane
458
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left Germany in her early 20s
for America, where she settled,
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00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,600
and had her first child, Caroline.
460
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,240
They're both standing outside.
461
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,480
Their eyes are like this.
[chuckles]
462
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,120
"What are you doing?"
463
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,960
She's already texting me.
"Can't you call me?"
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00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,320
[interviewer]: Oh, really?
About us being here?
465
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,800
Yeah.
466
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,280
[interviewer]: Small town.
Everybody knows everything.
467
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,920
Everybody knows everybody.
468
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,920
That is a studio picture
of Karl and Christiane.
469
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,360
I think she was a tom boy.
470
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,560
She did describe getting in
trouble with her mother a lot.
471
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,400
And he was the favourite.
472
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,240
[narrator]: Caroline first
met her uncle in 1974,
473
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when he paid an imperial visit.
474
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,720
We lived in this grey house.
[interviewer]: Ah.
475
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,200
And that was our driveway.
476
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,840
There was a fence,
so it was narrow.
477
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,760
The limo pulled up and took up
the entire driveway.
478
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,000
And all our little children in
the house and my three brothers
479
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,080
and myself ran out to see
what the deal was!
480
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,120
A limo in this neighbourhood
had never been seen before.
481
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,920
Never.
482
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,800
He was dressed so elegantly.
483
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,040
And he had a black beard
484
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,560
and jet-black hair
and talked so fast,
485
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,200
my mother was so happy
to see him,
486
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,640
and my father was, you know,
bustling about.
487
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,080
And here's a picture
of us just googled-eyed.
488
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,040
[chuckles]
There's my uncle.
489
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,000
There's me. My younger brother.
490
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,280
And I know that we were just
staring at what he was wearing.
491
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,880
He had on wool trousers,
that wool wide leg,
492
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,400
and really highly cuffed
493
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,880
and, like, clothes
we'd never seen before.
494
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,960
So, I was 13, maybe 14.
495
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,520
My brother was 12 or 13,
496
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,200
and terribly dressed in the 70s,
497
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,160
wearing polyester,
and we're fat Americans.
498
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,600
[chuckles]
499
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,800
He had dinner with us, and then,
500
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,560
he asked my parents
if my brother Karl and I
501
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,040
could come and visit
for the summer in Paris.
502
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,960
And of course, we were jumping
up and down, and...
503
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,640
"Please, please, please!"
504
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,600
[jazzy music]
505
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,720
[narrator]: Fashion mecca Paris
506
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,040
had lured Karl from Hamburg
25 years earlier.
507
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,280
At only 21,
Karl won the prestigious
508
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520
Woolmark Prize for coat design.
509
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,880
In the same year that
Yves Saint Laurent, only 18,
510
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,920
won the prize for dress design.
511
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,120
They were to become
the two most influential
512
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,080
designers of the age,
513
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,120
and bitter rivals in both work,
and later, love.
514
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,960
[Colombe]: It's a portrait
of my grandmother
515
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,320
by Marie Laurencin.
But also, Marie Laurencin,
516
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,560
at that period, like many women,
517
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,720
like the Bloomsbury, my English
grandmother was more Bloomsbury,
518
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,680
they also had affairs
with women,
519
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,680
so it's a sort
of family portrait.
520
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,640
[interviewer]: And Karl
was interested in buying it?
521
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,120
Well, Karl asked me
if I still had it.
522
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,680
He never said...
he would never say "buy."
523
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,520
That's Karl.
524
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,080
Very young.
525
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,480
And that's me.
526
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,160
We had a fight.
[interviewer]: Ah.
527
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,360
- Yeah, we had a fight.
- What was that about?
528
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,040
Saint Laurent.
529
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720
[both laughing]
- Explain.
530
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,920
I was wearing suits,
and not...
531
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,080
I mean, I used to dress
in Saint Laurent.
532
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,280
What that a fatal error
from his point of view?
533
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Well, at some times,
maybe it wasn't very intelligent
534
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,000
of myself to be like that.
535
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,480
Still, we didn't speak
together for a long time.
536
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,320
Then, when I took over Vogue,
537
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,080
we laughed and we laughed,
and we said,
538
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,920
"Why didn't we see each other
for all that time?
539
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,360
It's ridiculous."
540
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,640
[percussive jazz music]
541
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,240
[narrator]: Meanwhile,
Karl had been enhancing
542
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,880
his reputation for inventive
and exciting design,
543
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,280
working for some of Paris's
top couture labels,
544
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320
and busting a few taboos
in the process.
545
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,200
When I started working
with Karl,
546
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,400
I was 20 like that. 23.
[interviewer]: Ah.
547
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,400
I was like a strange person.
548
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,120
Alors, this is a portrait that
he did of me that I like.
549
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:55,080
Like a sphinge or faune.
550
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,880
And he called it "Le bel
indifférent" after Cocteau.
551
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,240
[interviewer]: Do you recognize
yourself?
552
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,880
I was like that, yeah
553
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,080
And I like myself
to be like that.
554
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,120
Unfortunate it's no more.
555
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,920
I thought actually, when
I met him, that he was Italian.
556
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,080
He had long, curly, black hair.
557
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320
I thought he was
an Italian gigolo.
558
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,040
[interviewer chuckles]
Because he was so chic,
559
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,840
you know, for the time.
- Did you tell him that?
560
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,880
I told him that, of course.
And he loved it.
561
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040
He thought that
it was very amusing.
562
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
[soft jazz music]
563
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,160
[narrator]: In the early 70s,
564
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,640
Karl's eye was caught
by a person
565
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760
who was soon to become his muse.
566
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,600
[Gilles]: Jacques de Bascher
was a young man in Paris.
567
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,520
He was dying to meet Karl.
568
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,680
I met him in a party in Paris,
569
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,360
and I introduced him to Karl.
570
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,600
The image of Jacques de Bascher
pleased Karl.
571
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,520
He likes images, Karl.
572
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,200
[interviewer]: By that,
do you mean not just the way
573
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,720
he looked,
but what he represented?
574
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,040
Yes, also.
575
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,160
This is naughtiness
and his nightlife,
576
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,320
crazy nightlife,
577
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,440
as Karl didn't go out at night.
578
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,680
He was the good boy at school,
the first of the class.
579
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760
Very serious.
580
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,880
But he found attractive people
who were the opposite.
581
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Exactly. Exactly.
The more perverse...
582
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,000
[bossa nova music]
583
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280
The cushion was a friend
of mine who gave it to me
584
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800
and I think it's brilliant.
[wheezing laugh]
585
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,040
[interviewer]: The chairs
all look very comfy.
586
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,440
They are.
I'm a very comfortable man.
587
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,920
Tell me about Jacques.
588
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,440
I only met him once,
589
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,640
and I thought
he was so seductive.
590
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,160
But... danger.
591
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,240
So, I never, I never...
592
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,640
I never went there.
593
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,160
Why "danger"?
594
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Oh, he had those two men
at the same time.
595
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,800
[♪]
596
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,360
[narrator]: Jacques had also
caught the eye
597
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,760
of Karl's rival,
Yves Saint Laurent.
598
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,280
[interviewer]: Sort of
a complicated relationship.
599
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,880
Oof! I imagine.
Yeah, I guess so.
600
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,000
But I think that Saint Laurent
was more in love with Jacques.
601
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,320
And I think Karl was more
intellectually involved.
602
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,840
One version of the story
is that Jacques was sort of
603
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,800
the love of Karl's life.
604
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,680
Yes, apparently, he was.
605
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,400
But the love of...
I don't know how Karl loved.
606
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,760
I mean, he was such
a remote person.
607
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Even though he may have been
very nice with his friends
608
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,760
and all the things,
but he was, I think,
609
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,800
probably a very remote
and private person.
610
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,600
Karl and Jacques
was absolutely
611
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160
the perfect love story,
612
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040
and the perfect
impossible story.
613
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,920
Karl had a problem with sex.
He can't have sex.
614
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,840
And Jacques was crazy about sex.
615
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,680
That's why he let Jacques
going everywhere.
616
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,680
[chuckles]
Within many attractions for him.
617
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,520
I'm a kind of voyeur,
618
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,000
you know.
I want to watch everything.
619
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,200
What's going on in the world,
on TV, in the street,
620
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,880
in the newspaper,
I'm a paper freak.
621
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,360
I love newspapers.
So, I'm much more informed
622
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,720
than people think.
623
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,760
And yes, I don't go out a lot,
nearly never.
624
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Even--
- Why not?
625
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200
Because I have too many things
to do and I want to do them.
626
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,120
You know, there's zillion
of books I have to read,
627
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,960
there's zillion things
I want to look at.
628
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,080
There's tons of things
I want to sketch too.
629
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,960
I like to paint,
I like to illustrate.
630
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,640
There's so many things
I want to do,
631
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,640
there isn't so much time
for me to go out.
632
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,680
And you know, to recharge
your batteries,
633
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,720
in a job like this, you better
stay alone a lot of time.
634
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,000
[Caroline]: This is Jacques
in Paris in the apartment,
635
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,240
in our trip in 1974.
636
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,600
[interviewer]: And what's
he wearing?
637
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,440
He's wearing lederhosen.
638
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,120
What was Jacques like?
Tell me about him.
639
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,000
Oh, I had a massive
crush on him.
640
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,360
[laughs]
641
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,320
I didn't know that I did
for a few, for a week,
642
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,080
or a week or two, and then,
the more time I spent with him,
643
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,440
he was just... stunning.
644
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,920
What did you understand
was Jacques's relationship
645
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,120
with Karl at that point?
646
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Assistant, friend?
647
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,280
Close friend?
648
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200
He was, uh... Yeah, he was...
649
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,960
he would do whatever
needed to be done.
650
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,760
He took care of us
for a couple of weeks.
651
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,800
We did get to go shopping,
and I did buy dresses,
652
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
and my first pair of high heels.
653
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,280
I thought I was the bomb.
[chuckles]
654
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,000
It was Karl paying
for all this?
655
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,760
Yeah.
I got my first mascara.
656
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,320
I hadn't worn makeup.
657
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,440
He took me to the salon,
cut my hair,
658
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,240
dyed my hair,
I didn't even look the same.
659
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,960
But I was still a fat American.
660
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Hadn't been to a fine
restaurant ever,
661
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520
so we were in for a treat
662
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,320
because he took us
to restaurants,
663
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,040
he took us shopping.
664
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,760
And he stayed up all night
working, I recall that.
665
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,400
And after a while, he got back
into his routine.
666
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,520
This is him working
in his apartment.
667
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640
And I ran into the room
and snapped a picture of him,
668
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,720
like, "Candid!"
[interviewer chuckles]
669
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,920
He didn't like that.
670
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,920
[jazz music]
671
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Oh, we have
a lot of things here.
672
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,840
[laughs]
We have a lot of things here
673
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,440
I recognize.
674
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,360
So, this is my first
Chanel shoot.
675
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,040
I like it. Look.
676
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,920
It's perfect.
677
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,920
[interviewer]: How old were you,
can I ask?
678
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,680
Uh, '71, I was about 25.
679
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,480
Twenty... I don't remember.
680
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,840
[laughs]
681
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,240
[narrator]: The move that was
to make him world-famous
682
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,000
came in 1982,
683
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,640
when Karl was suddenly brought
in as creative director
684
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,040
of the legendary
house of Chanel,
685
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,240
which was struggling, 11 years
686
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,960
after the death of its founder,
687
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Coco Chanel.
688
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,040
The great fashion innovator
was hired
689
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,280
to bring the aging
brand back to life.
690
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,960
He took the studio of
Mademoiselle Chanel, of course,
691
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,360
and he came with a new team,
totally new team.
692
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Young team around his studio.
693
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880
People always think about
Chanel as if she was
694
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,200
the top of fashion
all her life.
695
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,120
I can tell you,
after the stupid things
696
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,120
she said about me
and the mini skirt,
697
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360
it was something people
were not excited about
698
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,880
because it was very middle-aged.
699
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,560
She was mean. Mean bitch.
700
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,400
I have nothing against
mean bitches,
701
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Being quite mean myself,
that's not the problem.
702
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,720
He made a lot of changes.
A lot, a lot of changes.
703
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360
He hired top models.
That was very new.
704
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,800
[jazz music]
705
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,800
[Gilles]: He was crazy
for Inès de la Fressange,
706
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,760
who started to be our muse.
707
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,800
And she helped a lot Chanel.
708
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,440
Then, Inès left,
709
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
and we had to find a new face.
710
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,960
And Claudia Schiffer arrived.
711
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600
She gave something to Chanel
which was quite new:
712
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760
her sex appeal
and her freshness.
713
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,640
He was very provocative.
He sent her on the podium
714
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,760
with a very little bikini.
715
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,360
And the president of Chanel
at that time, he said,
716
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,280
"You're sure?" And he said,
717
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,320
"Let me... That's not your job,
it's my job."
718
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,760
[laughs]
719
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,280
We became again a young company.
720
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600
[Karl]: But you know,
my job is to make-believe.
721
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,120
And as long as people
think it looks Chanel,
722
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,080
you never thought it was Chanel
and she never did that before,
723
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,040
who cares?
My job is to make the image.
724
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,480
And whatever it is.
725
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,520
And those elements
can all be used
726
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,240
to be put somewhere
727
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:32,880
to make it look Chanel,
728
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,160
or whatever people think Chanel
is or was, because who cares.
729
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,960
That's not the problem.
The problem is
730
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,040
the fashion message from today.
731
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,200
[interviewer]: He was aware
of business.
732
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,240
Oh, totally.
Totally aware of business.
733
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,040
He didn't care about marketing,
734
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,840
but he was
the king of marketing.
735
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,160
[crowd clapping]
736
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Because he knew where he could
stop and where he could go,
737
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,960
and if he was going too far,
you know. It was incredible.
738
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Karl was a very,
very good PR person.
739
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920
He's the king of
the storytelling.
740
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,520
[Karl]: My father,
when he was 83,
741
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,960
he sold his business and he died
at 90 from boredom.
742
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,000
I work on the music,
I design the sets myself.
743
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Everything.
744
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,680
Everything.
I do everything myself.
745
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,120
I design the print.
746
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,640
I design the buttons,
the jewellery.
747
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,720
Look what I did. And then,
they know how to drag it out
748
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,600
because they have the technique
and all the proportions,
749
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,240
but I do everything myself.
750
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,760
In three seconds, like that.
751
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,280
When the owners of Chanel
hired Karl,
752
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,080
he has to be free.
753
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,080
So, he had the money he needed
754
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,200
to make the shows he wanted
to do. He was free.
755
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,160
[interviewer]: But sometimes,
they were quite extravagant,
756
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,920
weren't they? The shows.
- Yes!
757
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,720
And why not?
[laughs]
758
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:45,760
He can afford it!
759
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,600
[upbeat jazz music]
760
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,520
[narrator]: But Karl was not
only chief designer at Chanel,
761
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,560
he had the same job
in two other fashion houses:
762
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Fendi in Italy,
763
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,120
and his own label,
Karl Lagerfeld.
764
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,720
By now, he was earning
a fortune.
765
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,440
But his attempt to protect it
766
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,760
from France's new higher taxing
socialist government
767
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,720
was to bedevil him
for the rest of his life,
768
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,200
and cause problems
after his death.
769
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160
[♪]
770
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,040
[in English]
771
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,280
[classical piano music]
772
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160
[narrator]: Monaco offered
not only a tax haven
773
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,960
where residents paid
no income tax,
774
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,680
but also proximity to his
friend, Princess Caroline,
775
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,960
who he'd known since
she was a teenager.
776
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,200
He liked her.
She's very beautiful.
777
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,840
She's intelligent.
She's a princess.
778
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,280
She inspired him
779
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,280
and he inspired her.
780
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,840
I think he was always helping
during the Bal de la Rose,
781
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,320
which was a big tradition
782
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,840
that she has to go through,
and charity, and everything.
783
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,680
You better have the best friend
that has good ideas
784
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,520
for the music,
for the invitations,
785
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,600
and who loves to party
and organizing all that.
786
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,200
I think they were a team.
787
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,120
He enjoyed having Caroline
as an image for Chanel.
788
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,920
She was very much
in the magazine at the time,
789
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,720
and she was always
dressed with Chanel,
790
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,560
so it was a good... I told you,
791
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,200
he was a marketing man,
792
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,480
even in his relationships.
793
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,160
[laughs]
794
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,040
[narrator]: With his royal connections,
795
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,760
Karl was offered a long lease
796
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360
on the magnificent
villa La Vigie,
797
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,680
perched on a cliff overlooking
the Mediterranean.
798
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,920
"La Vigie" means...
799
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,360
The place from where
you can watch well.
800
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,120
From there,
you see everything, huh?
801
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,600
House with the view.
[laughs]
802
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,560
Yes, there's not a room,
it's a house with a view.
803
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,280
Exactly. It's a beautiful
thing here,
804
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,000
it's light, the air,
all the windows open.
805
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,320
So, there are enough other
intimate rooms of the house
806
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,720
that I wanted
those three rooms, like,
807
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,120
really one big ball room.
808
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Very open. I thought
you'd throw some pretty
809
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,320
good parties here.
- Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
810
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,080
Tell me about the people
who come and visit you
811
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,600
and stay here.
- I hate name-dropping.
812
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,760
[dramatic music]
813
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,200
[narrator]: La Vigie is in fact
just the other side
814
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,680
of the unmarked border,
in France.
815
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,320
The bombshell meant that Karl
816
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,880
would now have to pay
French tax after all.
817
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,960
[interviewer]: How is it
possible for an intelligent man
818
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,600
to not know that that house
was not in Monaco,
819
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,160
but it was in France?
820
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Do you believe he didn't know
it was in France?
821
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,440
The house?
822
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,280
[classical music]
823
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,200
[in French]
824
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,440
[narrator]: Karl was forced
to sell his
825
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,200
beloved 18th-century furniture
826
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
to pay his tax bill.
827
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,840
By this time, he had already
lost the love of his life,
828
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,440
Jacques de Bascher,
the man he had to share
829
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,280
with his rival, Saint Laurent,
830
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,080
and had then looked
after during his final months
831
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,240
living with AIDS.
832
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,280
He never forgot him.
833
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,280
[Sébastien]: The first time
he really spoke to me
834
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,840
about Jacques, he said,
835
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,880
"Oh, today, it's 20 years."
836
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,720
I said, "20 years of what?"
837
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,320
[blows]
You know?
838
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,960
And he said, "Ah, it's 20 years
that Jacques disappeared."
839
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,120
Because he was talking
to me about Jacques,
840
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480
about the story, about Jacques,
who was crazy,
841
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,040
but he was cultivated,
he was, like...
842
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,960
He explained so many things
about Jacques,
843
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,920
on his private things, you know?
844
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,280
He was very sad after
the death of Jacques de Bascher.
845
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,320
Of his mother, too.
It was at the same time.
846
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,720
And I think he begins
to eat a lot.
847
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,600
This year,
when he lost Jacques,
848
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,480
he was still good-looking,
you know?
849
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,800
And after that,
he didn't take care of this,
850
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,520
and he started to take
some weight, you know.
851
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,840
He got fat at the time, yes,
852
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,360
because he loved to eat.
853
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,400
When we were going to Germany,
854
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,400
we were eating currywurst,
855
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,240
and he was...
[chomping]
856
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,440
He was crazy with currywurst.
857
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,840
I like them too.
858
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,840
[classical music]
859
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,880
You are unbelievably thin!
860
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,080
Stand up, do a little
spin yourself!
861
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,240
60 pounds you lost.
- Yes, exactly.
862
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,200
In seven and a half,
maybe eight months.
863
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,360
I hit the feeling,
"It's time to change."
864
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,000
But I like better,
"Life is change."
865
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,240
That's why I'm in fashion.
866
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,600
This was really a turning
point in his life
867
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,600
because the image
was so important,
868
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,800
the TV, the social media...
869
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,240
J'accueille Karl Lagerfeld!
870
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,960
He accepts all
the television shows,
871
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,280
the interviews, the pictures,
it was incredible.
872
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,760
It was such a change
in his life.
873
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,400
It was a real turning point.
874
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,800
Euh, Karl Lagerfeld, alors...
875
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,000
[jazzy lounge music]
876
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,840
And then, he did a book!
877
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,120
"How to Lose Weight."
878
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,360
Nothing, he left nothing
to someone else.
879
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680
He never stopped
880
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,640
thinking of something new.
881
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,120
That's what he did
the whole time.
882
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,480
He was the first one
to do H
883
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,640
[orchestral jazz music]
884
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,400
[chuckling]
885
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Karl Lagerfeld is a brand.
886
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,320
In one night, the time
to do the windows,
887
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,200
he became extremely famous
888
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,640
to mainstream agents.
889
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,280
[journalist]: ...les trophées
sont des vêtements.
890
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,240
The collection was launched,
891
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,480
and I mean, it was... pfft!
892
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,840
Big thing all over the world.
893
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,200
People were lying outside of
the doors of the H boutiques
894
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,040
in New York and Paris to be
the first one to come in.
895
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:06,320
It's a huge term in fashion,
896
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,280
but it changed
the way of living of Karl,
897
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,600
truly from one day to the other.
898
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,800
[narrator]: Karl's lawyer Celine
899
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,920
also acted as his agent,
brokering deals.
900
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,840
She found is newfound fame
did half the work for her.
901
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,520
[Celine]: They were expecting
so huge demands
902
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,120
that they could behave strangely.
903
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,320
[laughs]
904
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,120
I received the proposal.
905
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,480
I did not answer right away,
and one week after,
906
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,680
I received the same proposal,
907
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,960
but it was twice... the amount.
[laughs]
908
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,080
[interviewer]: Twice the amount?
909
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,720
And I had done nothing.
[laughs]
910
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,280
I asked him to make a t-shirt
with the face of Karl.
911
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,680
It'll be sold out
in five minutes in H
912
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,640
He understood logo
before anyone else.
913
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,840
Logo is the thing
before anything else.
914
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,880
They love it.
915
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,640
That's my business card.
916
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,680
The name of the brand
became the face of Karl.
917
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,800
You don't need to read,
"Karl Lagerfeld." That's huge.
918
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,160
The way he dressed was so
original. He was often saying,
919
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,800
"I'm a kind of
Charlie Chaplin."
920
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,000
A book holder. I love it.
921
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,880
Tiens. It was a very, very,
very special way
922
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
to transform himself
into an icon.
923
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,960
[host]: Now, tell me about
the look, though.
924
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,440
I mean, look at that collar.
925
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,920
They are like washable
turtlenecks, they are...
[tapping]
926
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,840
Wait, listen! Do that again.
927
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,440
[tapping]
Oh, yeah, very stiff.
928
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Yes. Because it's good
for the position, you know?
929
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,120
Yeah, keeps you like this.
930
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,240
I have a kind of...
931
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:44,120
pre-1940 German officer
feeling in my bones
932
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,960
and in my position--
[overlapping chatter]
- In the regimen, yes.
933
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,840
It's something I got.
There's nothing I can do.
934
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,320
Yeah, I thought it was cool
'cause it was so different,
you know? And no one did that.
935
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,160
But he pulled it off
as if it was totally normal.
936
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Like, I never even...
When I saw him, I never even
thought anything.
937
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,640
I was like,
"Oh, it's just Karl."
938
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,400
That's just how he was,
you know?
939
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,920
[interviewer]: Did you ever see
him dressed in other things?
940
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,640
No, he'd always wear that,
even on holidays.
941
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:08,800
He kind of enjoyed that,
you know,
942
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,800
that he was mysterious
and people were interested
in him.
943
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
[curious music]
944
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,520
I thought he was the strangest
person I've ever met.
945
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,360
I thought the way he dressed
was very weird. I really did.
946
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,640
[narrator]: Amanda Harlech was
at Karl's side at Chanel
947
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,200
for the last 20 years
of his life,
948
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,760
and became a frequent visitor
to his many homes.
949
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,760
[Amanda]: I think his houses
950
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,240
actually often flagged up
a transformation
951
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,720
before he transformed.
952
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,760
He had his apartment
in the Quai Voltaire,
953
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,560
which was like a spaceship.
954
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,320
Almost like living
in an X-ray, really.
955
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,280
And Karl lived in
this extraordinary twilight
shadow world.
956
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,320
[interviewer]: How often
did you see him?
957
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,040
I saw him practically
every day that he was in Paris.
958
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Whenever he came down
or he came in,
959
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,600
we saw each other quite often.
960
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,960
But antiques were the things
that you had met over.
961
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think
he knew very well
962
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,720
he had a great eye.
I mean, he's had a great eye
for all periods.
963
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,760
I mean, he went from
18th century to his apartment upstairs,
964
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,080
now it's all white
with neon lights.
965
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,120
I think it's insane, but anyway,
966
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,120
that's what he did
and that's the mind he had.
967
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,600
The books were hidden
behind frosted glass panels,
968
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,160
and yet, you could see
the spines of
the books' shadows.
969
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,400
[♪]
970
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,640
I like the idea of moving.
971
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,920
Not being the victim
of your possessions.
972
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,960
What is it about the hip
and the young that attract you?
973
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,560
It's the reflection of
the time we live in.
974
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,160
If you think it was
better before... You know,
975
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,040
the worst thing in life is
old friends of people
976
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,800
you know for a long time
telling you,
"Remember the good old days."
977
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,480
Forget about the good old days.
[interviewer laughs]
978
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,160
I should make you
a present secondhand.
979
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,000
What's interesting is now,
because you--
If you lived--
980
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,280
- Now and tomorrow.
- And you think
it's better before,
981
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,560
then you can commit suicide immediately.
982
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,960
He was always working,
he was always busy,
983
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,080
he was always talking about
the next thing he's working on,
984
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,440
and he was very focused
all the time. Even on vacation,
985
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,000
he was working 12 hours a day.
986
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,320
He's working on sketching,
and working on reading
987
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,560
and his next concept,
his next show, and he would
come out to lunch
988
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,560
and tell us what
he's working on,
then after lunch, he'd say,
989
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,160
"I gotta go to work,"
and he'd work 'til
9-10 o'clock at night.
990
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,760
Then, we'd have dinner,
and then, we'd go to town
every night at 12 o'clock,
991
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,600
1 o'clock for a drink,
get home at 2, and then,
992
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,760
he would stay up
2-3 o'clock reading, you know,
993
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,280
returning faxes,
texts, phone calls.
994
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,040
If he had a cold, he would not
bring it up,
995
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,480
he would just push through
996
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,080
and act as everything
was normal.
997
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,320
So, he really was
an incredible strength
998
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,480
when it comes to that stuff.
999
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,240
He rarely showed weakness
at all, ever.
1000
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,960
'Cause he was always
interested by youth and by new.
1001
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,880
He was interested by
what was new.
1002
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,200
He let the other ones get old.
1003
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,240
He never wanted to be old.
1004
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,920
He didn't like
to speak of age,
1005
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,160
and when I speak of my age,
he says, "Stop."
1006
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,240
[in English]
1007
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,160
He was surrounded
by young people.
1008
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,280
He didn't like to see
all the elder people.
1009
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,440
That's why perhaps he didn't
like to speak of my age.
1010
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,240
[laughs]
Because I was too old for him.
1011
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,880
[orchestral music]
1012
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,240
[narrator]: Karl was hardly shy
1013
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,960
in expressing
his controversial views,
1014
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,960
getting into hot water over
remarks about Adele's looks,
amongst others.
1015
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Do you think that women
are enslaved, in a way,
1016
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,160
by the fashion industry's
insistence on women being thin?
1017
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,520
Yes, but I see it like
a normal evolution, you see.
1018
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,600
You mean, it'll be okay for
women to be fat in the future?
1019
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,160
- I'm afraid, yes.
- But not okay now?
1020
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,880
No.
1021
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,320
[orchestral music continues]
1022
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,760
[narrator]: Brad was only 23
when he met 70-year-old Karl.
1023
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,080
In a short time, Karl was
putting him in almost
1024
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,640
all of his shoots.
1025
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,000
The Chanel catwalk,
and in every campaign.
1026
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,800
Brad became the world's top male
model for three years running,
1027
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,560
and they became close.
1028
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,280
We started doing
just photographs,
1029
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,360
not professionally, but just,
you know, on our own,
1030
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,040
and then after doing it
for a while, he decided to do
1031
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,560
a book on me, so we did, uh...
1032
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,280
It ended up being five years.
1033
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,680
It was called
Metamorphoses of an American.
1034
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,400
[interviewer]: What was it like
to be direct...
1035
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,760
What was it like being
shot nude by him?
1036
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,240
Yeah, it was...
felt natural, you know?
1037
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,080
I mean, as a model,
I mean, it's not...
1038
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,880
Nowadays, it's not as typical,
but back in the day,
1039
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160
I feel like all the supermodels,
they all were photographed nude.
1040
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
So, I didn't think
anything of it, you know?
1041
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,920
[♪]
1042
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,080
[narrator]: But then, five years
after meeting Brad,
1043
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,640
Karl came across
18-year-old Baptiste.
1044
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,360
I think he found him,
he was the first one to find him
1045
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:48,040
to become a model,
1046
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,640
and after, he made him
a celebrity, let's say,
1047
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,760
because he was using him
all the time.
1048
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,240
It's true, he was...
He's still very beautiful.
1049
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Wow! Wow!
1050
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,080
Attends, attends, attends!
Okay, okay...
1051
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,160
Oui. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's great, that's great.
1052
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,280
[laughing]
1053
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,400
[in French]
1054
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,720
[in English]
1055
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Baptiste was the only one
that, you know,
1056
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,920
in French, you call someone
"you" or "tu."
1057
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,600
He was the only person
I know who called Karl "tu."
1058
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Only one.
1059
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,760
[crowd chattering]
1060
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,600
We all figured that he had
a crush on Baptiste,
1061
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,680
that's for sure, that he found
him exceptionally beautiful.
1062
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,440
But I will... personally me,
I never see any...
1063
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,000
Okay, he kiss him, but no...
1064
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,440
Maybe make a little,
"Hey. Stop, Baptiste."
Something like that,
1065
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,240
but nothing could be sexual
or anything, no.
1066
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,280
People talk a lot.
Me, personally,
I never see anything.
1067
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,520
[in French]
1068
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Oui.
1069
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,960
[ragtime music]
1070
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,400
Oh, it's so good.
Put it against the mirror.
1071
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,360
[narrator]: But in the end,
the adoption didn't go ahead.
1072
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,840
Baptiste puts that down
1073
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,600
to the complications of
French bureaucracy.
1074
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,720
[camera shutter clicking]
1075
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,960
However, Karl did become
a godfather to Brad's two sons,
1076
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,240
Hudson and Jameson Karl.
1077
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:06,200
Yeah, he loved the boys,
as like they were his grandkids.
1078
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,000
Always looked out for them,
always wanted the best for them,
1079
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,200
always made sure they were doing
good at school, their education,
1080
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,840
make sure they're gonna go
to good schools.
1081
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,720
And between personal and work,
I mean,
1082
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,640
we spent more time with Karl
throughout the year
1083
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,560
than we did even
with our own families.
1084
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,560
[soft string music]
1085
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,200
[narrator]: Karl brought
the whole family over
1086
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,480
every summer to stay with him
in the south of France.
1087
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,960
This one, I love.
1088
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,040
This one was in Saint-Tropez,
1089
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,200
and whenever we would arrive,
we'd, you know,
1090
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,960
bring something with us,
and this year, I had brought
1091
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,600
framed pictures of the boys,
and he really loved them.
1092
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,800
He immediately had them hung up,
and I just,
1093
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,920
I love his smile in this one.
1094
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,800
He just looks like,
proud of the boys,
1095
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,960
and it's very sweet to me,
this photo.
1096
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,560
[Jameson]: Oh, was that
at the party where we were
all holding Karl faces?
1097
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,080
[Brad]: That was in New York.
1098
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,320
It was like a popsicle stick
with his face on it,
1099
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,800
and we used to carry it around.
1100
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,600
It was a dinner in New York,
1101
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,720
and they had one of these
at every single place setting.
1102
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,880
I mean, Karl was a master
at marketing and PR,
1103
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,760
and we were in Saint-Tropez
at lunch and he just said,
1104
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,440
"Oh, do you think Hudson
can do the show?"
1105
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,000
I was like,
"Yeah, of course, Karl."
1106
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,320
And, you know, I had no idea
if he could or not,
1107
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,880
I just said yeah. And, uh...
1108
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,480
'Cause he was only...
he'd just turned two.
1109
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,720
So, I figured it was just
gonna be a typical runway,
1110
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,720
you know, 30 seconds down,
30 seconds back.
1111
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,080
So, we got to the show.
1112
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,000
It's an 11-minute walk.
1113
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,120
They did a replica of
the Versailles Garden
1114
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,560
in the Grand Palais, so it was
a massive set.
1115
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,760
I was like, this is
gonna be a disaster.
1116
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,600
And he was just, like,
professional as can be.
1117
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,920
He asked me to pick him up,
so I picked him up,
1118
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,840
and then, sure enough,
Karl was right, like,
1119
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,720
it was picked up across,
all over the world,
1120
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,000
me and Hudson
at the Chanel show.
1121
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,200
[orchestral music]
1122
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,040
[applauding]
1123
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,600
What he created on the runway
was extraordinary.
1124
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,120
Everything he built
at the Grand Palais,
1125
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,240
you know, from the airport.
1126
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,840
To the supermarket.
1127
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,960
To the art exhibition.
1128
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,080
To the reconstruction of Paris
bridge and the little shop.
1129
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,400
To the launch of a rocket.
1130
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,280
[rocket engine rumbling]
1131
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,640
[♪]
1132
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:47,800
To a forest.
1133
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,840
[birds chirping]
1134
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Each time, it was like
a surprise,
1135
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,400
and you know this
one year in advance
1136
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,520
because it takes one year
to prepare all this stage.
1137
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,480
He gives a sense of humour,
1138
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,880
and people love that, because
1139
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,440
fashion is to make
a smile on your face.
1140
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Tell us how it feels
to be here tonight.
1141
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,600
Uh... cool. It's fun.
1142
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,280
My favourite fashion person
is Karl.
1143
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,400
So, this picture right here
was the first time
1144
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,360
I ever met him, in Berlin.
1145
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,920
[interviewer]: You wouldn't
obviously remember that, but...
1146
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,880
Yeah. And then,
this was Sébastien.
1147
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,520
He gave me a pair of gloves
and we were, like, boxing.
1148
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,240
And then, over here...
- Yeah...
1149
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Um, he drew me these.
1150
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,120
- Is that you?
- Yeah.
1151
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,400
Looks like, "For Hudson."
1152
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,400
I don't know, that kind of
looks like "love."
1153
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,200
"Saint-Tropez..."
Can't read the last word,
1154
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,120
but then, I see "Karl"
at the bottom.
1155
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,000
Karl gave this to me
a few years ago.
1156
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,160
I think it's really cool.
1157
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,560
[interviewer laughing]
- Is it just a fantasy?
1158
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,320
Yeah. I mean, it would be cool
if it was real, but...
1159
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,680
You went on private jets
with him, but they weren't...
1160
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Yeah, no.
1161
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,920
Private jets?
1162
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,960
Yeah, of course, private jets.
1163
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,400
[cabaret jazz music]
1164
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,840
Taking everybody to La Réserve
in Saint-Tropez,
1165
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,640
then taking everyone to Tokyo,
1166
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,840
then flying there
and flying there,
1167
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,560
and giving things to everyone
the whole time.
1168
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,520
Instant, you liked something,
he bought it for you.
1169
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,480
And he was buying for
tons of clothes,
1170
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,120
every Saturday
or every two Saturdays
1171
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,200
for Brad, Baptiste and I.
1172
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,040
[interviewer]: So, you got
a lot of clothes out of him.
1173
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,040
Yeah, of course.
[interviewer chuckling]
1174
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,840
I'm just... It's a shame.
1175
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,560
- Where are they all?
- They are in storage.
1176
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,600
I need a bigger house
to put them.
1177
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,800
[♪]
1178
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,800
When we were with him
in a shop, he said,
1179
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,360
"You want that? You want that?"
1180
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,000
And he offered us.
It was absolutely incredible.
1181
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,040
He was so generous.
1182
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,080
He bought all my telephones.
1183
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,520
"Which colour you want?
Black, pink, silver?"
1184
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,520
I said, "Black is fine with me."
1185
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,360
[indistinct chatter]
1186
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,800
Hé, oh, oh, oh, oh!
1187
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,520
We were requesting for
extravagant conditions.
1188
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,000
I negotiated a huge plane
with, like,
1189
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,440
two bedrooms, two showers and...
[chuckles]
1190
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,400
[interviewer]: On a plane?
- Yes.
1191
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,400
And, um...
1192
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,480
We were on the plane
and he said,
1193
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,120
"What do you think, Celine?
Isn't it a bit big?"
1194
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,920
[laughs]
1195
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,160
I remember when we used to fly
on his plane, it was funny
1196
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,160
'cause he used to sleep
sitting straight up,
1197
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,120
and I always used to think
it was weird
1198
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,000
'cause I don't know anybody
that can do that.
1199
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,000
You could never pay something
with Karl, never.
1200
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,880
- Oh, really?
- No, never.
1201
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,160
I think I paid for a coffee
one time for him.
1202
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,960
It was at the Café de Flore
in Paris,
1203
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,080
and I said, "Oh, Karl,
let me get the coffee." He goes,
1204
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,080
"Make sure... Tip well,
darling."
1205
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,720
[narrator]: Karl's biggest treat
for himself was to buy books,
1206
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,440
lots of them, at this bookstore
three times a week.
1207
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,520
Everything was very fast
when Karl was coming here.
1208
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,160
He would come in this way,
1209
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,360
of course, stop at
the fine arts department,
1210
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,240
and ask what was new,
1211
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,760
and he was like a child
in front of a Christmas tree.
1212
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,680
[jazzy music]
1213
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,200
Thick folders of bills,
all K-L.
1214
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,400
September, August...
1215
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,360
Books were food for Karl.
1216
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,680
He had a lot of knowledge
of everything.
1217
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,600
Portraits of
John Berger on Art.
1218
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,320
Ancient Greek Economy.
British Drama.
1219
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,360
He was reading all of them
so fast.
1220
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,280
Philosophy before the Greeks.
The Rest of Us.
1221
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:02,240
No other couturier
in the world is so complete
as Karl.
1222
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,320
Dickens, Religion and Society.
1223
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,720
He had the knowledge,
which was incredible.
1224
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,920
He didn't have to read them
completely, he was so quick.
1225
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,720
The Art of Nijinsky.
The Sense of Beauty, of course.
1226
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,760
And the books
would be bulging.
1227
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,320
And the cost that day,
the total?
1228
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,400
The cost that day...
1229
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,520
30,242 euros. So, you see...
1230
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:23,760
And that's just one day.
1231
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,640
That was just one day, yes.
1232
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,400
Karl told me once that
he had 300,000 books,
1233
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,280
and to give you an idea,
1234
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,000
if you look at the store here,
we have 30,000 books,
1235
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,560
so that means that he had
10 times this volume of books.
1236
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,400
- This shop has--
- This shop. 30,000.
1237
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,320
So, we're looking at,
there's a bit behind us,
1238
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,080
we're looking at nearly
30,000 books?
1239
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,760
- Yes.
- And he had 10 times that.
1240
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,080
10 times.
1241
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,840
That's a lot of books.
1242
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,160
It is.
1243
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,640
I can tell you that he was
our best client,
1244
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,840
and he was spending between...
1245
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,440
500 and 700,000 euros a year.
1246
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,240
- On books? In this bookshop?
- On books. Yes.
1247
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:12,920
- With you.
- Yes.
1248
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,840
Over half a million
euros a year?
1249
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:15,960
Yes.
1250
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,200
So, you looked after him well.
[chuckles]
1251
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,080
We loved him, of course,
1252
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,720
but not for his money,
for his culture.
1253
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,240
Very often, he was taking
a book
1254
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,880
and putting it close
to his heart and saying,
1255
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,920
"This is going to be my gift
for tonight."
1256
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,800
And he was in love with books,
I can tell you.
1257
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,760
And then, there was
all the books
1258
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,520
he was offering to people.
1259
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,040
His collaborators,
his friends, to the models,
1260
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:51,440
to share his tastes
in literature or in philosophy.
1261
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,080
I mean, did he buy books
on philosophy for young models?
1262
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,440
Yes, he did.
1263
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,840
And he was convinced that
1264
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,160
they would be absolutely seduced
by it, so...
1265
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,640
[chuckling]
- Did you ever hear whether
it worked or not?
1266
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,480
Uh, I'm not sure it worked.
[chuckling]
1267
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,200
But he tried,
and he kept on trying.
1268
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,160
[classical music]
1269
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,160
[narrator]: This extraordinary
room elsewhere in Paris
1270
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,840
stores only part of
Karl's huge collection,
1271
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,640
which he would often share
with Amanda Harlech.
1272
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,960
Art Deco. That's very Karl.
1273
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,680
Boyce, very important.
1274
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,840
We are who he loved.
1275
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,000
He reminded me frequently that
1276
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,800
my knowledge of English history,
British history was really bad.
1277
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,840
Thump came a book.
1278
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,640
The saga of paper,
Karl's passion.
1279
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,840
Opera... Structuralism
in Dutch Architecture.
1280
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,240
I mean, he would smile about it.
1281
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,400
He would never make you
feel low self-worth.
1282
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,040
It was more an invitation.
Learn. Go.
1283
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,040
Come on, it was like, he sensed,
like, we are blessed
1284
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,280
to have this life force.
1285
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,400
[♪]
1286
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,080
He was buying books for me,
1287
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,640
and it was,
"You should read that.
You should know about this."
1288
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,400
All the time. He was very
generous, but he was not stupid.
1289
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,800
To buy this kind of things
was to buy the things
to make me more intelligent.
1290
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,680
He gave me the possibility
1291
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,600
to not talk about only
sports or clothes,
1292
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,480
he was giving me
the possibility to talk
about history, about art,
1293
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,880
to talk about, you know,
all those things.
1294
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,760
He made me love
the things around,
1295
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,840
the history of this building,
the history of this statue,
1296
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,600
the history of this tree,
the history of just everything,
you know?
1297
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Because he was giving you
another way to explain,
1298
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,760
that's why he was
my best professor.
1299
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,880
[soft orchestral music]
1300
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,760
[narrator]: In 1992, Karl had
a special gift
1301
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,480
for his niece Caroline
soon after she got engaged.
1302
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,160
There was a phone call that
my mother and I made to him,
1303
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,480
and I said,
"I'm getting married!"
1304
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,480
And he said, "Of course
I shall make the dress."
1305
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,080
And I was...
[stammering]
1306
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,720
...speechless. Okay!
1307
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,880
And this was back in the day
when we were faxing,
1308
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:11,320
and sketches after sketches
after sketches came across
the fax machines.
1309
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,800
"With all these sketches,
1310
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,880
you will get an idea
of the dress.
1311
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,480
I think it will make you look
thin and tall."
1312
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,400
[wheezing laugh]
1313
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,040
I am neither.
[laughs]
1314
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,440
My mother measured all parts
from the head, to the wrist,
1315
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,800
to the whatever, and I drew
my foot on a piece of paper
1316
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,800
and faxed that to him,
and then, heard nothing.
1317
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,360
And I wasn't worried at all.
I wasn't worried at all.
1318
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,720
The dress did not come until
the day before the wedding.
1319
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,400
He put it on the Concorde,
it had its own plane seat,
1320
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:52,960
and it was delivered by
a driver to my house
1321
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,080
in the middle of a snowstorm.
1322
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,680
[interviewer]: Do you
still have it?
- I do.
1323
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,400
- Can we see it?
- Sure.
1324
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,840
So, this is the...
1325
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,600
Oh, my goodness.
1326
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,840
This is it!
[interviewer laughs]
1327
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,840
- Wow!
- Poofy sleeves!
1328
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,200
It's all lace. It's seven layers
of lace, actually.
1329
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,640
- Seven!
- Explaining to me...
1330
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,000
the seven layers.
1331
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,800
Everyone was just waiting
to see this dress
1332
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,760
because by then, I was
talking about it a lot.
1333
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,480
Like, how exciting is this?
1334
01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:25,080
So, what was the reaction?
1335
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,200
It was awe.
1336
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,880
[narrator]: Karl's generosity
continued over the years,
1337
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,440
sending gifts and money
to Caroline and her mother.
1338
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:39,800
They were in contact
until the end, but in fact,
1339
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,960
she never met her uncle again.
1340
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:44,160
Can I ask a very
direct question?
1341
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,480
Did he leave you anything
in his will?
1342
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,760
Uh, not that I know of.
1343
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,800
I don't think
the will's resolved.
1344
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,440
I think you're right.
1345
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,760
Does that surprise you?
1346
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:56,840
No.
1347
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,240
He was generous throughout
his entire life,
1348
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,600
there was no need to... No need.
1349
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,840
I was pleased to be
related at all.
[chuckles]
1350
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,360
I didn't ask for anything.
I was overjoyed and surprised
1351
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:12,840
that he wanted to make
a dress for me
1352
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,960
because sure, we are distant.
1353
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,760
There's no bitterness
or anything at all, never was.
1354
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,920
[narrator]: The people Karl
chose to be closest to him
1355
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,880
in his later years were also
a kind of family.
1356
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,280
The one absolute requirement
was devotion.
1357
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,480
Planet Karl is
black and white,
1358
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,720
made of loyalty and friendship.
1359
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:46,120
The recurrent reason of someone
disappearing from Planet Karl
1360
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,120
was him to be betrayed.
1361
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,360
That was the worst.
1362
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,040
[indistinct chatter]
1363
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,920
[Gilles]: They call me the right
arm of Karl Lagerfeld.
1364
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,120
And he heard that some
headhunters were looking for me
1365
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,520
for another collection.
That, he didn't like at all.
1366
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,480
You know, after 15 years,
you need to move on.
1367
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:09,600
I needed to express myself
somewhere in a way,
1368
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,920
and to be on my own, so...
1369
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,720
little by little,
the relationship disintegrated.
1370
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,720
We didn't even say
goodbye to each other
when I left Chanel.
1371
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:21,960
- Really?
- No.
1372
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,400
You don't leave Karl Lagerfeld.
1373
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,760
All the people who tried
to leave him,
1374
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,280
then they were out,
so I was one of them.
1375
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,080
Like Claudia at one time,
Inès at one time.
1376
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,800
- In a way, he cut you off.
- He cut me off, it's true.
1377
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:43,280
[rhythmic instrumental music]
1378
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,040
You know Choupette, of course,
which is not a nice girl.
1379
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,840
Very jealous girl, Choupette.
She's a mean cat, yes.
1380
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,920
You know, for Christmas,
I give all the time like a sort
of scarf in cashmere
1381
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,240
with something that he liked,
and he told me,
1382
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,680
"You know, Madame Roitfeld,
1383
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,120
Choupette, she never destroys
anything in my clothes,
1384
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,120
but she destroyed totally
your shawl."
1385
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,760
So, Choupette is jealous,
and when I see her sometimes,
1386
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,960
she can bite, she can scratch
you. She's not a nice girl.
1387
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,040
[meows]
1388
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,520
[interviewer]: Is she in any way
1389
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:11,840
a little bit of a diva?
1390
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,120
Oh, she's a diva.
Oh, she's an enormous diva.
1391
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,560
I've never seen
anything like this.
1392
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,680
And if she doesn't want,
well, it's her decision.
1393
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:20,960
We won't force her.
1394
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,760
We know if she's gonna
like it by presenting,
1395
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,760
and if she doesn't, well, it's
a no. Sorry, we can't do it.
1396
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,960
[chuckles]
1397
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,960
[jazzy lounge music]
1398
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,520
[in French]
1399
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,560
[in English]
1400
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,040
[in French]
1401
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,720
[interviewer]: Why do you
think Karl was so...
1402
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,680
the English word is "besotted"?
[chuckles]
1403
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,560
[in French]
1404
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,640
[soft piano music]
1405
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,760
He wants to protect him,
1406
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,520
himself, and he did not want to
show people his real feelings.
1407
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,040
He usually had
always black glasses,
1408
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,400
you couldn't see his eyes,
and once, he had see-through...
1409
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,520
Not see-through,
but they were only tinted.
1410
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,840
So, I said,
"Karl, I can see your eyes."
1411
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,120
And he said...
1412
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,800
He took the glasses off,
and he said,
1413
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,680
"Yeah, they're really sad."
1414
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,160
[interviewer]: Why do you think
he always hid behind sunglasses?
1415
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,760
Because he didn't really want
people to really know him,
I guess.
1416
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,480
That's why.
1417
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,800
Maybe not to see the real Karl.
1418
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,960
[narrator]: Karl didn't only
hide his feelings from others,
1419
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,760
he was secretive about anything
1420
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,520
which could portray weakness
in himself,
1421
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,040
which is why only one person
knew about his final illness.
1422
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,080
That day, I was on the beach
with a friend of mine,
1423
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,760
and Karl called me. He said,
1424
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,320
"I have a problem."
I said, "What?"
1425
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,600
"No, no, no, it's
difficult to explain."
1426
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,880
[♪]
1427
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,400
Because Karl told me
on the phone
1428
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,360
it was impossible
for him to pee.
1429
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,440
Imagine me, I didn't know
nothing about that, you know?
1430
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,480
He needed an emergency
admission to the hospital,
1431
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:25,120
in the intensive care unit,
1432
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,760
because the situation
was very bad.
1433
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,400
[in English]
1434
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,920
I tried to explain to him
the situation,
1435
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,400
and to tell him that
the situation was very bad
1436
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,680
and he had to fight in order
to allow him
1437
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,880
to survive as more as possible,
1438
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:04,200
but he was not listening.
He was thinking just,
1439
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,360
"You are the doctor, I am Karl,
1440
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,960
I do my job, you do your job,
but please,
1441
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,480
just do what is important,
what is right to do,
1442
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:18,680
but if you try to explain to me,
1443
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,600
maybe I will hear you,
but maybe not."
1444
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,120
[interviewer]: Did that
surprise you?
1445
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,320
Yes, completely. I don't know
any patient like him.
1446
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,120
I was like a million times
more scared about
1447
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,120
what he had than he was himself.
1448
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,680
And he decided not
to get surgery,
1449
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:44,120
it was his choice, and to try
to find the best way,
1450
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,360
like with medicaments.
1451
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,800
You have, like, press
everywhere in the world
1452
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,160
who would love
this kind of story, you know?
1453
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,600
They would be very, very happy
1454
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,280
to get some details
of everything.
1455
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,680
The medicine, I was putting
everything under my name,
1456
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,800
and I made all of this like this
to protect, you know, the info.
1457
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,640
Allô?
1458
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,720
I was telling Sébastien
everything because...
1459
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,000
as I could not explain to Karl anything
1460
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,920
because I was always trying
to explain to him,
1461
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,440
and Sébastien was always
going back to me and telling me,
1462
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:27,040
"You must do it.
You must explain to him."
1463
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,520
I said, "I tried."
1464
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,680
He's still in front of me.
1465
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,760
Then, "Karl, I want to tell you
something, you have to hear me."
1466
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,160
[laughs]
1467
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,720
Karl was a very
strong man, you know.
1468
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:42,800
Physically and mentally,
very strong.
1469
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,640
I think he never accepted.
That's why also, he was, like,
1470
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,720
always doing things
like nothing happened, you know?
1471
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,520
Like nothing exists on him.
1472
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,400
[soft applause]
1473
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,680
[tense horn music]
1474
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,040
He was working all the time,
all the time.
1475
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,000
He was putting all his energy
in his job.
1476
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,560
We didn't know anything,
that he was ill.
1477
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,360
I didn't know anything
about that.
1478
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,680
But he faked it.
1479
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,800
He started hiding himself,
his beard and all that.
1480
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,560
Then, he'd show at the end,
I mean, he'd show,
1481
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,880
but he didn't walk up at the end
of the shows and everything,
1482
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,160
but his way of fighting was now.
1483
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,520
[Sébastien]: Until
the last moment,
1484
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,960
we were thinking we were
gonna find a solution.
1485
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,600
The day before Karl died,
1486
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,640
he said, "You think it's
gonna be possible that
1487
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,640
I get out of here, like,
Wednesday? Or Thursday?
1488
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,880
Then, like this, we can be
at the Fendi show."
1489
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,240
And the day after,
12 hours after, it was done.
1490
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,080
[interviewer]: Were you there?
- Yeah, of course, I was there.
1491
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,600
[♪]
1492
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,120
[in French]
1493
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,400
[interviewer]: I imagine
the succession will be
a lot of money.
1494
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:39,800
[in English]
1495
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,560
Because of tax?
1496
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,840
I don't know,
it's very mysterious.
1497
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,160
The account disappeared.
1498
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,480
You say the accountant
disappeared?
1499
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:57,360
Tell me what is known
or what is rumoured.
1500
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,720
Well, rumoured, I mean,
1501
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,840
he had a little accountant which
was a little man
1502
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,040
always walking
behind him like that,
1503
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,600
sitting in the third row
of the shows.
1504
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,000
He was always around.
1505
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,480
Apparently, he disappeared.
1506
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,480
He was there
for 30 years, 40 years.
1507
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,360
- As the main accountant.
- Yeah, of course.
1508
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,480
For me, he was very important.
This guy was respected a lot.
1509
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:22,840
Like, I did until the end,
you know.
1510
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,320
But at the end, I should not.
[chuckles]
1511
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,920
I was really pissed.
1512
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,680
- What do you think--
- And I'm still pissed.
1513
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:31,600
[scoffs]
1514
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,920
[narrator]: It turns out that
Karl's accountant
1515
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,520
has moved to Switzerland,
1516
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,840
and he can't answer any
questions due to ill health.
1517
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,320
So Karl's presumed heirs are
none the wiser about what,
1518
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,200
if anything,
they're going to receive.
1519
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,720
The situation left
at the end was not very...
1520
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:57,160
How to say that, tidy?
1521
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:58,640
[chuckles]
1522
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,720
This kind of big succession,
it can take 10 years or...
1523
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:04,800
Really?
1524
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,000
And you have France,
and you have Monaco.
1525
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,560
Uh, part of
the succession is...
1526
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,960
is managed in Monaco.
1527
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,760
Does that complicate things?
1528
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,320
Yes.
[laughs]
1529
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,760
And we have a big problem
in France with the residence,
you know?
1530
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,440
What, France or Monaco?
1531
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,400
Yeah, yeah, that's a problem,
like this and taxes problem,
1532
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,600
you know, and it became like...
[whistles]
1533
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:41,360
Enormous, and now we are still
trying to deal with that.
1534
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:42,720
How's it going?
1535
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,280
[chuckling]
- Not too good, but we will see.
1536
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,720
You're smiling, though,
you're keeping happy.
1537
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,880
Yeah, I smile. I smile because
what do you want me to do?
1538
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,400
I don't want to kill myself
because of this.
1539
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,600
- Do you miss him?
- Of course I do.
1540
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:04,080
I only... I think I am only
starting to recover.
1541
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,360
- Really?
- And it's a long time,
1542
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,080
three years and a half.
1543
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,960
'Cause it was almost
a day-to-day...
1544
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,360
We were talking almost
every morning.
1545
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,800
What did you talk about
every day?
1546
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,320
[laughs]
1547
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,720
Secrets.
[laughs]
1548
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,160
Things that you can say
only to your lawyer.
1549
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:32,760
[soft orchestral music]
1550
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,480
I mean, he changed my life,
when I met him at 23.
1551
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,680
You know, at the time, I was
still modelling, I was
a good model at the time,
1552
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,360
but he definitely brought
my career
1553
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,440
to a whole other level,
which I never would've had.
1554
01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:44,840
It was amazing, and then,
everything he did for us,
1555
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,800
for my family and the kids,
and the travelling,
1556
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,000
and all the experiences we got
to have, it was like a movie.
1557
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,600
Almost like living a dream.
1558
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,560
- It's about to go down.
- My eyes are watering.
1559
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,880
My eyes are...
1560
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,520
- Here it goes.
- It looks like it's sinking.
1561
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,440
When he passed away,
I think I was almost in shock.
1562
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:08,280
He played such an important
role in my life.
1563
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,160
It was pretty hard.
1564
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,640
Of course, he completely
changed my life, yeah.
1565
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,040
In good and bad reason, also.
1566
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,560
Because most of the things,
they are good
1567
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,200
because he gave me the chance
to make new things
1568
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,560
and to arrive in a new world.
1569
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,960
And I arrived in this world,
and I was on the top,
1570
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:00,560
it's like to live with a lot of
things and everything... crash.
1571
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,120
I always keep two feet,
you know, one where I'm from,
1572
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,280
and the one where I was,
you know?
1573
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,520
And I make the balance
like this in my life.
1574
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,360
But you think you're still
from there,
1575
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,160
but you're not from there anymore.
1576
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,160
But you're not also from...
You're not from there too.
1577
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,040
You don't know really
who you are, you know,
1578
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,480
because at one point,
you're living in
a different world,
1579
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,240
and it's difficult to go back.
1580
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,960
You cannot go back
to your old world.
1581
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:31,600
It's impossible.
1582
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,920
It's impossible,
you prefer to die.
1583
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:42,120
You see what I mean?
It's a difficult way.
1584
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:48,200
[♪]
1585
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,840
[narrator]: As those closest
to Karl mourn,
1586
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,960
Choupette has already moved on.
1587
01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:00,200
She has a raft of marketing
appointments in her diary.
1588
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,920
We are presenting
three products
1589
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,800
that we've collaborated with today.
1590
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,160
And so, one of them is
a transport travel bag
1591
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,760
made for cats, and yeah.
1592
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,120
She's sharing
this adventure with us.
1593
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,240
We never know what she thinks.
1594
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,760
It's like, she thinks.
1595
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,280
She's always thinking about
her next move.
1596
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,880
[orchestral music swells]
1597
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,440
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